The Early History of the McLarans of Dalby

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    • Executive Summary
    • Contact & Recommended Reading
  • OVERVIEW
    • Introduction
    • Family Names
    • Family Trees of the Moreton Bay Immigrants
    • Scottish Roots
    • Clan McLaren
    • Cambridgeshire Roots
    • Oral History
    • Ancestors' Graves
  • McLeoran Family 1800
    • 1792 Census
    • McVicar Family >
      • John McMillan MacNeill >
        • The Forbes Mackay Family
        • Alistair Forbes Mackay
        • MacNeill Compt Book
    • Family tree 1700 - 1800
  • Jean McLeoran's Family
    • Isabella McLeure
    • Ann Mackay >
      • Margaret Jones Mackay (Burns) >
        • Alister Colville
      • Catherine Burns
  • Archibald McLeoran's Family
    • Donald McLeoran
    • Mary McLeoran
    • Isabella McLeoran
    • Malcolm McLeoran
    • Edward McLeoran
  • Malcolm McLaran Jnr's Family
    • Malcolm McLaran >
      • The America
      • World War 1 Soldiers
    • Jane McLaran
    • Archibald McLeoran b. 1822
    • John McMillan McLeoran
    • Malcolm McLeoran the Younger
    • Catherine McLaren >
      • James Milford
      • Walter Goodman Jnr
    • Donald McLaran - 1833 - 1879 >
      • 1857 Dalby Town Allotment Sales
      • Deaths on the Condamine
      • Paths cross on the Condamine
      • McLaran v Wuth
      • Frogmore
      • Kilkevan & Cockatoo Point
      • Why Squatters don't marry
      • Bronzewing
      • 1874 Police Assault cases
      • Donald McLaran's Lost Watch
    • Duncan McLaran
    • Margaret McLaren >
      • Denis Sullivan
      • Ellen (Helen) Sullivan
      • Margaret Sullivan
      • Agnes Sullivan
      • Daniel James McLaren
      • The Sullivans in court
    • Alexander McLaren >
      • Alexander's selections
  • The Dockrill Family
    • William Dockrill
    • Martha Goss
    • Tartha >
      • The Tartha Graves
    • Death of Amos Slight
    • Edwin Gransden
  • The Eversden Family
    • Lewis James Eversden >
      • The Flying Cloud
      • 1864 The Arrival of the Eversdens >
        • Laura Eversden
        • 1864 Rain event
      • Eversden at Tartha
      • Southport & Cambridge House >
        • Hammerchewer Visits Cambridge House
      • Clara Eversden - pre marriage
    • Lewis and Jane Eversden
  • The Brown Family
    • Thomas Huntley Brown >
      • Death of Thomas Huntley Brown
    • Jane Rider 1837 - 1880 >
      • Thomas Ross Brown
      • Isabella Brown
      • John Brown
      • James Brown
      • Susan Brown
      • William Joseph Brown >
        • McCowan Scandal
  • 1879 - 1956 Donald McLaran's Family
    • Haran
    • The McLaran Cordial Factory
    • 1900 McLennan - McLaran Wedding
    • Kupunn
    • 1912 Death of Donald McLaran
    • Post Kupunn to 1956
    • 1956 Death of Clara Eversden
    • Malcolm Lewis McLaran
  • Queensland History
    • Ipswich History
    • Ludwig Riethmuller
    • Post 1956
    • Dalby History
    • IMAGE UPLOAD PAGE
  • Search the site
    • Executive Summary
    • Contact & Recommended Reading
  • OVERVIEW
    • Introduction
    • Family Names
    • Family Trees of the Moreton Bay Immigrants
    • Scottish Roots
    • Clan McLaren
    • Cambridgeshire Roots
    • Oral History
    • Ancestors' Graves
  • McLeoran Family 1800
    • 1792 Census
    • McVicar Family >
      • John McMillan MacNeill >
        • The Forbes Mackay Family
        • Alistair Forbes Mackay
        • MacNeill Compt Book
    • Family tree 1700 - 1800
  • Jean McLeoran's Family
    • Isabella McLeure
    • Ann Mackay >
      • Margaret Jones Mackay (Burns) >
        • Alister Colville
      • Catherine Burns
  • Archibald McLeoran's Family
    • Donald McLeoran
    • Mary McLeoran
    • Isabella McLeoran
    • Malcolm McLeoran
    • Edward McLeoran
  • Malcolm McLaran Jnr's Family
    • Malcolm McLaran >
      • The America
      • World War 1 Soldiers
    • Jane McLaran
    • Archibald McLeoran b. 1822
    • John McMillan McLeoran
    • Malcolm McLeoran the Younger
    • Catherine McLaren >
      • James Milford
      • Walter Goodman Jnr
    • Donald McLaran - 1833 - 1879 >
      • 1857 Dalby Town Allotment Sales
      • Deaths on the Condamine
      • Paths cross on the Condamine
      • McLaran v Wuth
      • Frogmore
      • Kilkevan & Cockatoo Point
      • Why Squatters don't marry
      • Bronzewing
      • 1874 Police Assault cases
      • Donald McLaran's Lost Watch
    • Duncan McLaran
    • Margaret McLaren >
      • Denis Sullivan
      • Ellen (Helen) Sullivan
      • Margaret Sullivan
      • Agnes Sullivan
      • Daniel James McLaren
      • The Sullivans in court
    • Alexander McLaren >
      • Alexander's selections
  • The Dockrill Family
    • William Dockrill
    • Martha Goss
    • Tartha >
      • The Tartha Graves
    • Death of Amos Slight
    • Edwin Gransden
  • The Eversden Family
    • Lewis James Eversden >
      • The Flying Cloud
      • 1864 The Arrival of the Eversdens >
        • Laura Eversden
        • 1864 Rain event
      • Eversden at Tartha
      • Southport & Cambridge House >
        • Hammerchewer Visits Cambridge House
      • Clara Eversden - pre marriage
    • Lewis and Jane Eversden
  • The Brown Family
    • Thomas Huntley Brown >
      • Death of Thomas Huntley Brown
    • Jane Rider 1837 - 1880 >
      • Thomas Ross Brown
      • Isabella Brown
      • John Brown
      • James Brown
      • Susan Brown
      • William Joseph Brown >
        • McCowan Scandal
  • 1879 - 1956 Donald McLaran's Family
    • Haran
    • The McLaran Cordial Factory
    • 1900 McLennan - McLaran Wedding
    • Kupunn
    • 1912 Death of Donald McLaran
    • Post Kupunn to 1956
    • 1956 Death of Clara Eversden
    • Malcolm Lewis McLaran
  • Queensland History
    • Ipswich History
    • Ludwig Riethmuller
    • Post 1956
    • Dalby History
    • IMAGE UPLOAD PAGE
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17th Century Kintyre Map
Note:
  • Balemackvicar on the east coast, possible ancestral McVicar farm;
  • ​Drumirinach north of Achinsavil - see 1792 Duke of Argyle census extract below. This may be inaccurate - the Compt Book suggests the farm was located further north.
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Keil Cemetery, Southend - the John McVicar and family headstone.


 The McVicars of Southend


The McVicar Family in Southend
Some sources say McVicars lived in Southend as far back as the 13th century. A collection of old ruined farm buildings on the west coast of the Mull is known as Ballymcvicar (i.e. Farm McVicar) - see map above. However, the preamble to the Duke of Argyle's 1792 Census suggests two possible origins for the McVicars of Southend:

McVicars may be the descendants of the family which then occupied Ballymcvicar; or they may trace their origin to Bailie Patrick McVicar who moved from Inverary to Campbeltown in the mid 17th century.

​Records revealing the McVicar family prior to 1800 are:
  • Scotlandspeople website;
  • 1792 Duke of Argyll census / tenant list;
  • the John McVicar family headstone in Keil Cemetery, Southend;
  • the John McMillan MacNeill headstone in Keil Cemetery, Southend.

An interpretation of the John McVicar headstone


RENEWED
by
Hugh McVicar ten(ant)
in Dunglass in me
​mory of his father
John McVicar who
died 17 May 1789 aged 75 yr. & his
Spouse Barbra Shaw
d. 5 March 1784
​aged 63 yr. ? N M'vr d
1732 ad (aged) 50 B C' d 1735 ad (aged)
? 47 - bottom RH Cnr near grass
​
This headstone provides some interesting information:
  • The headstone was a replacement of the original.
  • John McVicar b. 1714 d. 17 May 1789, father of Hugh b.  1750;
  • Barbra Shaw b. 1721 d. 5 Mar 1784, Hugh's mother;
  • (Perhaps) Neil McVicar b. 1682 d 1732, Hugh's grandfather (perhaps);
  • (Perhaps) Neil's wife B C b. (perhaps) 1688 d. 1735
  • It is possible grandfather Neil (?) was a grandson or son of Bailie Patrick McVicar mentioned in the 1792 Census or a descendant of an ancient family who lived continuously around Southend since the 13th century.

Comments on the McVicar headstone
The headstone replaced an older one and was installed while Hugh McVicar was alive. The replacement probably occurred  between 1800 and 1820. The headstone is probably sandstone or a similar soft stone and has eroded in parts.

It appears that Hugh was proud of his tenancy at Dunglass and over 25% of the headstone's face was devoted to this fact. At the bottom are two lines which may have been an afterthought and the mason struggled to fit Hugh''s additions in full. If the above interpretation of the bottom two lines is correct, the headstone is evidence of the presence of the ancestral McVicar family in Southend in the second half of the 17th century. 

​The interpretation of the bottom two lines is far from certain. The words are 
enshrined in stone but the interpretation is not and suggestions are welcome. A site inspection is needed.

Evidence from the 1792 Duke of Argyle Tenants Census
Dunglass
Hugh McVicar 42
Nelly McCoag 35
Duncan McVicar 15
Catherine McVicar 13
Neill McVicar11
Barbra McVicar 9
John McVicar 9
Malcolm McVicar 5
​Nelly McVicar 2.
1792 Duke of Argyle census - Hugh McVicar's family at Dunglass
Hugh and Nelly had further children: Margaret b. 1795 and Donald b. 1798. This record is an accurate guide to birth years. eg Hugh was born in 1750, prior to the earliest records held by Scotlandspeople.

Drumanrianach - a farm close to or the same as South Carrrine or Druma Voullin
John McVicar 51
Ann McMillan 45
Mary McVicar 26
Flory McVicar 24
Jean McVicar 19
1792 Duke of Argyle tenant census - Drumanrianach: John McVicar and family. 
Because of the vagaries of Scottish records, it is possible that Mary McVicar - born 1766 from the above evidence - was in fact Margaret McVicar who married Malcom McLeoran in 1795 because:
  • Mary's age is close to that of Malcolm McLeoran;
  • she has a sister named Jean - a recurring McLaran Christian name; 
  • Margaret chose Jean as the the name of her daughter born in 1796;
  • the absence of a birth record for Margaret after 1770 suggests she was probably born prior to 1770 (the year existing birth records commence).

Comments on the McVicar records in the 1792 Duke of Argyle Census
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The census supports some of the information on the headstone and provides the following information that is not available via Scotlandspeople:
  • Hugh's birth year;
  • the name of Hugh's wife;
  • the name of John McVicar's wife - Ann McMillan; 
  • confirmation that Hugh was a tenant in Dunglass - a farm near Kilblaan;
  • importantly a possible birth year of Margaret - or was it Mary - McVicar; this is the best lead for Margaret McVicar's origins yet discovered.

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John McVicar descendants in 18th Century
Here is a McVicar family tree based on the evidence presented on this page. There are probably some errors of interpretation and omissions, but it is a starting point. The tree shows how Margaret McVicar, Donald McLaran of Dalby's paternal grandmother, was related to her cousin, John McMillan MacNeill of Carskey.

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